Regenerative and Sustainable Agriculture

Transcript

Sheldon Young
Welcome to No Footprints, a podcast brought to you by Alfa Laval. I’m Sheldon Young.

Jason Moreau
And I’m Jason Moreau.

Sheldon Young
We’re here to talk about impact and efforts and the people behind making sustainability real. Jason, what’s new in your world? Anything exciting?

Jason Moreau
Well, I came across a news item that I thought was kind of interesting. It’s about our friends, the yeast, the little microorganisms that create wonderful things like bread, or in this case, beer, which I am generally a fan of. Yeah, the story was really interesting because there is a trend now towards low alcohol or no alcohol beverages.

That segment is growing. And obviously you can start with traditional yeast and remove the alcohol afterwards. But this research study was looking into different strains of yeast naturally produce lower volumes of alcohol.

Right, yeah. So from a sustainability standpoint, if your batch of beer already has lower alcohol, you’re using less energy to, right, like less steps, less energy in the process to arrive at the same end result. So I thought that was just a really interesting way to approach the problem, right?

Which is we want beer, but we don’t want as much alcohol in it, right? So you can look at every step in the process and go, how can we impact that? How can we affect that?

And it seemed like a cool sustainability angle.

Sheldon Young
Absolutely, yeah. I think it’d be less processing steps, things like that, to simplify a process for someone if they could effectively get the product that they want while also avoiding the aspect of alcohol. So again, both of those would need to be true, right?

But I love the science.

Jason Moreau
Well, that’s just it.

Sheldon Young
Yeah.

Jason Moreau
Because these different strains of yeast produce different flavor characteristics, right? It’s almost like using different varietals of grapes in wine. And so these different strains of yeast yield different flavor notes.

And so those are good for some types of beers, but not all. So part of the research is, can they find enough strains to produce that full, call it a rainbow of different beers, flavors that people know and like. But then the weird other knock-on effect is, to your point exactly, because there’s no alcohol right at the beginning of the brewing process, they have to account for that in the cleaning of all of the equipment.

Because naturally, alcohol kills bacteria through the rest of it. So if it’s lower alcohol at the beginning, you now need more stringent cleaning process and testing to make sure there’s no bad bacteria getting in the batch. So yeah, you solve one problem, but then have to solve another.

So yeah.

Sheldon Young
Yeah. I’d love to look at it. I have to read into this a little bit more, because I’m curious, because again, typically yeast eats sugars, produces alcohol, right?

That’s kind of how it works.

Jason Moreau
Exactly.

Sheldon Young
So I’m curious as to what it’s producing, if it’s not producing alcohol. And you’re right, 100%. Without that alcohol, again, you still have to do pretty stringent cleaning and placing regardless.

Jason Moreau
For sure.

Sheldon Young
Yes. But the fact that you now have a lower alcohol stream there, it’s going to change the cleaning characteristics of your process for sure. So interesting stuff.

Cool. That’s a neat article. Yep.

You have to take a look at that and read it. Can you mention where it was or no?

Jason Moreau
Oh, I came across it, where did I come across it? Foodmanufacturing.com. Excellent.

Very good. Very good. Yeah.

Sheldon Young
So I have a couple of things coming up that are kind of interesting. Actually, by the time this episode airs, it probably will be in the past, and we will talk about them in future episodes. I’m curious.

I’ve got to make sure that when we talk about it, it’ll be an episode that’s after this, right? Who knows? Podcasting at work, folks.

So I’ve got two things coming up that I’m excited about. One is I’m actually speaking at a wastewater trade show next week that is around kind of a sustainable wastewater treatment process, and so I’m really excited to get in front of people and have that dialogue around, look, you can treat wastewater, and there are ways to do it that it could actually be more sustainable, like it uses less energy, uses less human resources, all that kind of stuff. And then having that dialogue and just kind of see what they say, because I love getting that conversation going around, what are the pros and the cons of going a certain path that we think is more sustainable?

Is there a downside to that? And then just having that dialogue with folks is always interesting, exciting to me. And then at the end of the week, I get to kind of close out with something near and dear to my heart as well.

I’m going to the Dairy Sustainability Alliance. It’s essentially a whole bunch of people in the dairy industry that are looking for and driving sustainability in the whole industry as a whole. In the whole industry as a whole, that made sense.

But they come together, and it’s a great dialogue. You’re learning about all parts of the value chain and how sustainability impacts are happening, what’s being done, what are people learning. So it’s a fantastic venue to do that.

And last time I went to this, it was really great for me to kind of see the whole picture from the eyes of the people that are working in that value chain. And I’m excited about it, to learn about, again, how do we help them in their journey? And then how do we fit in as the organization that we are?

So it’s going to be fun. I’m looking forward to a busy week, but a really good one in terms of my sustainability engagement.

Jason Moreau
Those both sound really good.

Sheldon Young
Fun times. All right, so today’s topic, we’re kind of leading into that a little bit by talking about dairy. We’re going to talk about regenerative slash sustainable agriculture.

Feeding people is resource intensive. As a population, we expect to grow to around 10 billion people by around 2060. And we’re going to need to expand our food producing capabilities around 47% to kind of get there, right?

So Jason, how much land, how intensive do you think growing food is in terms of sustainability? Throw some guesses out there.

Jason Moreau
Throw some guesses. Well, I mean, it’s pretty intense, right? Because you have the dedication of the land to agriculture itself, which otherwise would be forest or grassland, right?

So you’re kind of giving up that sort of that carbon sink, if you will, in some ways, versus what that natural habitat would be. You’re also really affecting water usage, potentially, in that area. And we grow agriculture in areas that naturally maybe don’t have as much water for those crops, right?

So there’s a lot of engineering that goes into getting the water there. And then there’s all of the equipment, right? Most are probably still petroleum.

They’re diesel engines driving these things. I’m sure there’s electrification of that happening. But yeah, I think you just sort of on the surface of it, just look at it, and there’s just so many different sustainability challenges.

When you think about not just agriculture today, but how do you feed a billion, two billion more people, right? And try to reduce your sustainability footprint, not scale that in the same way. That is a crazy hard challenge.

Sheldon Young
Absolutely. So just some numbers to throw at you. Currently, half of the habitable land is utilized for agriculture, around 30-something percent of the total.

70% of freshwater withdrawals can be 80%, in some cases, are used for agriculture. And about 40% of that is wasted due to either poor practices, evaporation, whatever it is. As you mentioned, you’re right, a big driver of things like habitat loss, biodiversity loss occurs because of the need for agriculture, land and things like that.

And of course, agriculture is always, because there’s so much of it, and you’re using a lot of things like fertilizers and chemicals, it’s a big source of things like water pollution. So potentially a big, now again, this is our nation’s farmers, or our world’s farmers, they are doing, they’re feeding the world. They’re doing the work.

They’re doing the important stuff. And many of them try to do their very best to care for what they have. They just don’t always know exactly what they were supposed to be, right?

And even the tools weren’t in place, and the processes weren’t in place, and the ability to reduce footprint wasn’t in place. So now we have to look at it and say, all right, wow, big impact. How do we pull back and try to make it so that we can feed our world, preserve our planet, and also take care of the farmers and the people that are making it happen?

All of those need to be true. That’s why it’s such a big, interesting challenge, because all of those things have to happen for this to be a success. You can’t leave the farmers behind.

You can’t destroy the planet. You can’t starve the world, right? So all three of those have to work together towards a future state for this to be a success.

And so the big question is how, right?

Jason Moreau
And you’re going to tell us the answer right now.

Sheldon Young
I’m going to tell you the answer, Jason. No, I’m not. We could spend a long, long time going through it.

We’re going to talk a little bit about it, though. We are going to talk a little bit about it. So we’ve made gains in the past, right?

So resource intensity has improved. They’ve been making gains. So the farmers and the people with the technology have been moving the needle over the last 20 years.

Actually, big gains when you look at it from a relative point of view, right? We were able to produce similar yields on about half the land use, and same with about half the greenhouse gas creation, and about 40% less water use. So again, those numbers I gave you at the beginning there, wow, that was big.

Well, they were bigger before. They were much bigger before. And so a lot of great work has been done.

The question is, okay, so now what? And again, we’ve talked about this in prior episodes. It’s always that sustainability journey doesn’t really end.

It just, you move into the next step of it. And that’s, great work has been done in agriculture. There’s some fantastic success.

We’re seeing more food, less impact, less land. It’s still though, we’re still growing, and there’s still more need to look at this. So then, what do you do?

Well, one of those answers is sustainable, regenerative agriculture. And again, that’s one of those, it’s kind of a squishy word, right? Because it could mean a lot of different things.

In fact, that’s kind of, one of the criticisms of the whole thing is that it’s not super well defined or standardized. And so it is kind of intentionally almost a little vague, because it can take a lot of different forms, depending on a number of factors.

Jason Moreau
So, yeah, go ahead, go ahead. Well, I was just gonna say, I think that’s a challenge for adoption and traction and momentum, reflecting back on one of the things Fabian said when we interviewed him was just coming up with a common language and a model for things, right? Is kind of critical and key for just understanding, right?

We need to get everybody on the same page. And so, yeah, as a marketer, that scares me, because that means, you know, if things are squishy, people are going to be talking past each other. People are going to, ultimately, you know, the farmers who need to support it, the consumers who need to support it, governments who need to support it, unless we’re all using the same word, and it means the same thing, it’s very hard to gain traction.

Sheldon Young
Yeah, yeah, agreed. But again, I think we’re doing it. We’re getting there, right?

Yes, yeah. So there’s kind of three pillars to regenerative slash sustainable agriculture. And we’ve kind of touched on, I’m just talking what we did before, obviously the environmental protection aspect, protect the environment, biodiversity, soil, water, watching those, minimizing the amount of chemicals that you use.

You can’t forget the economic viability for the farmers and the families, and then that kind of social well-being. You also want it to be safe, you want the food to be healthy, you want a good quality of life for the people that are in the industry, all those things are considered when talking about, you know, renewable and sustainable agriculture. They’re also, you know, if you start boiling it down and say, okay, so what are you doing when it comes to that?

Well, kind of key practices. It’s that soil health, biodiversity, and water management. So you have to protect that soil.

You want to, soil will burn out. It is a living organism, right? If you tax it too much, if you continue to do the same thing with it year after year and not replenish the biome that basically lives in it, it will burn itself out and it won’t produce, it will start to essentially die, right?

So you have to kind of work to make sure that doesn’t happen. So how do you do that? Well, you, one of the things that’s a tactic is keeping kind of live roots in it year round, if possible.

You want something living in that soil, whether it’s roots of some kind of plant. So that means things like something called a cover crop. So you’re not just planting one thing there all the time.

You’ve got multiple things there that are kind of working together with the soil. So you’re looking to make sure that the soil is getting replenished with the nutrients it needs and the plants that are there are working in like a symbiosis in a way, right, to make sure that it happens. You do want to rotate some things around.

You don’t want to continuously have the same thing taxing that soil, right? It’s about protecting the diversity of animals and plants around you, right? So it takes land to farm, right?

So, but you have to understand there are habitats that exist, that have existed. And as you take more and more of those habitats, you risk damaging the biodiversity of an area. So how do you, you got to make sure you take that into consideration and achieve both the goals of preserving that biodiversity and protecting the soil and the land around you.

There’s things like no till planting, managing the grazing in a certain way. So you don’t, again, over tax a certain area. When it comes to like cattle, we mentioned like with Fabian, one of the episodes we did recently, there’s manure to manage.

That’s a big part of managing cows, right? How do you take care of that in a way that it doesn’t contaminate? I say cows, it’s also other animals, but cows is one of the bigger ones.

Taking that and making sure it is handled in a way that it doesn’t damage things, that you can actually get stuff out of it as well, using things like a digester. You can actually make something called biogas. That biogas can be utilized to run and create power, for example.

There’s lots of things that can be done there to close the circle per se around that aspect of things. And then perennial crops, crops that keep coming back. Um, when it comes to, um, I’ll pause Jason, let you jump in there.

I’ve been kind of rambling for a minute, but, uh, thoughts.

Jason Moreau
No, I think, um, yeah, it’s a really interesting area and it’s, it’s interesting to me because, um, you can zoom in on any one thing, right? Like the soil health. And again, sort of like when we’re talking to Fabian and you can either like go really deep or you can kind of go broad and zoom out a little bit.

And I think both are really important here because you really need to understand soil and the micro sort of little bacteria in there and the different things that are supporting the health of it that support the plants that retain the water, right? Like it’s, it’s sort of its own, this little habitat, but then you can also zoom out and see, yeah, all of these like, uh, overlapping sort of, um, biomes that have developed. Um, one of the best examples of this that I read, not in an industrial scale, but that something that stuck with that has stayed with me for a really long time was, um, uh, I believe it was, uh, the omnivores dilemma.

It was a book by Michael Pollan came out a long time ago, but, uh, what’s interesting is he believe it was in that book, he, um, uh, sort of told the story of a farmer who’s actually in Charlottesville, uh, polyface farms. And his whole thing was figuring out. Uh, plants and animals in sort of rotation and in concert and his, he would look to the natural, like, how do these plants and animals like acted nature without any intervention by man?

And then he tried to replicate that as much as possible on the farm because he theorized, you know, nature is sustainable, right? Like waste turns into inputs, right? Yeah.

So if he could replicate that as much as possible on his farm, uh, and yeah, he’s, he’s sort of written books about it. Um, really, really cool. And so that’s, that’s sort of that like larger, like all these overlapping things, or you can like zoom in on something as specific as soil.

Um, right. So I, I don’t know. I, I find it all really fascinating.

Um, I, for me though, as a consumer, I would like to know, right. Like what’s the term, you know, is it organic? Is it something else?

Like, how do I, how do I know that I’m supporting the right. Like, how do I vote with my dollar basically? Which is what they always tell you as a consumer to do.

Um, so that’s the bit where it’s like, well, other than shopping local, supporting small farms, which is great, don’t get me wrong. But that’s not going to close the gap for the 2 billion more people who are going to be on the planet, right? There does need to be something that scales.

And so, yeah, that’s, those are some of the questions I think about.

Sheldon Young
Yeah. There’s a lot of, a lot packed into that. Right.

Um, so again, when you, there are criticisms of this particular concept of it, because again, what have we learned? If nothing else, Jason, what, what, what makes sustainability hard?

Jason Moreau
People. Yeah.

Sheldon Young
Well, yeah. But particularly change, change, right?

Jason Moreau
Uncertainty, uncertainty, people don’t like to change. That’s partly it, but yeah. Yes.

Yes.

Sheldon Young
That you’re, you nailed it. The, the, the obvious answer was kind of floating there. Right.

Um, but, but the good thing about it is, you know, is recognizing that and say, okay, well, some of the criticism you might get again, vague definitions, you know, what does sustainable farming really mean, you know, one person can say, well, I used, you know, no fertilizer. So I’m sustainable. Well, I use regenerative, uh, cover crops.

So I’m sustainable. Right. They haven’t like kind of locked that in.

You, you run that risk of things like greenwashing or, or standards that don’t exist. Right. So you have to kind of say, you know, maybe closing that, that up a little bit could, or tightening that a little bit, um, when the time is right, could, could, could be a way to kind of mitigate that, uh, again, you have to be careful because it’s, well, these are all great practices everywhere you go.

The whole process is going to have differences because soil is different. What’s growing there is going to be different. The weather is different.

Everything is different. So it has to be customized. You can standardize certain practices, but you do have to tailor it to a certain area.

And another thing that we have to consider is your time. This isn’t an overnight thing. When you move to something like regenerative agriculture or sustainable agriculture, you are changing a whole system that exists.

For example, you know, all right, if I’m going to, if I’ve been planting my crops in a, in a, in a particular way, the standard way I’m going to call it for lack of a better term, well, it can take a couple, three years to get to a bet that that’s a more sustainable place. Now, when you get there, when you get it, again, I want to put an asterisk on this more than likely you’re going to have better returns for less inputs. And so you’re, you’re saving on that aspect and you’re getting better return in yield for, for what you’re putting into a field, right?

However, the path to get there, the first couple of years can be lower yields. So how do you get someone through that change curve? Right.

The key is, again, you have to make sure that you’re working with those farmers, taking care of those farmers in a way that they can work their way through that. Now, again, I’ll add another layer of that. It’s not ever a guarantee.

Odds are good, but it’s never guaranteed. So that, again, that’s another headwind, right? So again, that’s why it’s so important to keep testing and progressing and moving things in the right direction while protecting the farmers that are willing to go out on that limb and work the system to produce agriculture in a more sustainable way.

Uh, it’s difficult moving thing, right?

Jason Moreau
Yeah, this is where I think those associations and those organizations, like the, the dairy one that you mentioned at the top, right? Like that’s where you are going to. Uh, I think that’s the power of the collective, right?

Like they, like, you’re not one person trying to figure this out on your own. Like there are people that have tried things that have worked, haven’t worked. Right.

There’s these best practices that develop. And I think it’s really important to sort of, I would imagine plug in there. Um, because yeah, to your point, there are so many nuances, uh, based on geography, the, you know, the climate where you are.

Yeah. It’s, it’s not plug and play.

Sheldon Young
And again, again, the other aspects of it, you know, it’s different equipment. It’s all kinds of stuff that comes into this, right? So it’s a, how do you, wow, Jesus.

It sounds, it sounds like it’s a lot. Well, yeah, it’s a lot, but it’s in the long run. It should be worth it.

Um, you know, you do get reduced water use. It could be, um, you know, 25% less in some cases, you know, more, um, you get, you, you can cut down those chemicals and you can get more yields. All that stuff comes together.

So you mitigate that again. I think the mitigation strategies where it’s kind of important. Um, first of all, uh, it’s, these are things we’ve talked about.

It’s find a way to transition people. Maybe it’s transition funding. Maybe that’s, maybe the people that are purchasing a lot of these, um, uh, large volumes of, uh, of product from farmers, maybe they say, okay, look, we’re going to subsidize that for a little bit, or I hate to say this, but even like government subsidies could help move it along.

Uh, there are things you have to do, but if you want the bigger future, we all have to step in and say, what’s our role. Right.

Jason Moreau
Right.

Sheldon Young
You can’t just lay it at the foot of the farmer and say, it’s all yours to handle. Right. We have to think of ways to transition them through this.

Teaching, sharing, you know, it’s that whole communication like you, like you like to talk about Jason. It’s making sure that we propagate those ideas and share best practices and say, Hey, I’m a farmer. I’m trying this.

How do we support each other? Can we share equipment? Can we, you know, can we get this new equipment’s expensive and it’s hard.

Can we share it between us? Right. And find ways to, to test these things out without taking all the risk on one person’s shoulders or a few people’s shoulders.

Uh, as I said, you know, tell the success story, this is going back to your marketing, Jason, tell those success stories, you know, shout it from the rooftops, things that are great. Create that legitimate value. Um, and then, uh, even like taking it and making it something that’s certification of some kind, like you were not, no, we’ve standardized now.

This is what sustainable means, right? Here’s something right now. Again, I know it’s easy for me to say that, but that’s how you’re going to get there is through those slow steps of lifting that veil, letting people kind of see what’s under the hood, showing them that there’s a pathway that’s legitimate works and adds value.

Right. That’s the future that, uh, we, we can hope for when it comes to the sustainable agriculture. So final question, Jason, does it work?

Does it work? Do you think it works, Jason?

Jason Moreau
My guess would be yes. Because, uh, as you alluded to at the beginning, I wouldn’t talk about it. It didn’t work.

Right. Right. Yeah.

You’re not going to leave people on a, on a down note. No, I, I think it does work, but also as you pointed out in the beginning, like we, we have improved yields. We have improved water usage.

We have improved soil quality. Like, so like all of these things are already happening. It’s just making sure we stay focused and we’re, we’re continuing to measure and model what’s to make sure we’re going to hit that mark.

Right. In 35 years. Um, but yeah, what’s, what are, what are some of the good things?

Yeah. Leave me, you’re like the, uh, you’re like the nightly news, right? Like there’s, there’s some like stories that are like, man, I don’t know what’s like, I don’t know what’s going on with the world today, but then they always leave you with the good ones, right?

Like they leave you with a happy story at the end.

Sheldon Young
Allowing better news. No, we started with, Hey, talking about, Hey, what this stuff is, what is sustainable agriculture? What’s it, what are the components of it?

How’s it a little bit different? Then we talked about, again, some of the challenges we had to talk about the challenges, Jason can’t talk about all the good stuff now, and we talked about mitigating some of those challenges. And now let’s talk about some real, real case.

I got kind of three things I wrote down for my, my research. Um, a couple of case, couple of studies, um, the USDA, uh, SARE study from 2018, again, renewable, sustainable agriculture showed approximately a 70% increase in profitability in about three years, uh, better yields during the, this is, this is important, better yields during I’ll call it tough climate years, like drought yields, you create a more resistant agricultural. And again, you know, we’ve seen lots of changes in lots of situations come up where you’ve had some extreme weather situations.

Uh, we have to think about how do you make things more resilient? You know, genetics can do one part of it, but maybe some crop management techniques, uh, that we’ve talked about here in sustainable agriculture management techniques can be utilized. Um, general mills did a pilot back in 2022, uh, that, you know, for my red $20 to $65 more profit per acre is what their result was, right?

30% less fertilizer and chemicals with no yield penalty, uh, better resilience, uh, in extreme weather, just like I said before. And then I found one that again, I’d love to read more about. I’m not going to, I don’t, we don’t have time to talk about it at all, but it’s Rodale Institute did a 40 year study.

So the three to six times higher net return per acre because of lower input costs and organic premiums, you can use. So you actually get it’s with an organic premium. You can, you can make more money, right?

You know, you’re getting more for the crop. Um, and then you also get better soil structure and resilience, just like we’ve talked about. Right.

So this, I like a couple of stories like that just to say, okay, look, is this real is, or is this just some kind of like on paper thing? Studies have shown that is definitely can be real, definitely can yield results. Uh, again, I think we have to think about the farmers and, and the, the work they’re doing and make sure that they’re protected when we, when we ask them to do these kinds of things.

Jason Moreau
Yeah. Those that’s, I mean, that’s, those are happier stories than I thought you would have found. Like that’s, that’s, that’s genuinely like, um, I’m you, you got me back on the train, I’m optimistic again.

Yeah, no, I like it.

Sheldon Young
I like it.

Jason Moreau
Those are great results, especially the one that’s like over a 40 year study. Right. To your point, I think it’s, you know, if you only looked at it for one or two seasons, there’s so much variability there from the weather standpoint.

Right. But 40 years. Yeah.

That’s a, that’s a pretty good track record. Yeah.

Sheldon Young
Yeah. And again, it’s like, I didn’t dive in too deep. I’m sure it’s, it’s around things like organic growth and things like, you know, all kinds of different aspects of that, but the numbers don’t lie in that case and it’s just pretty interesting.

Um, you did ask a couple of things though. I want to, uh, close with some of these things. Uh, how do you, how can you support and participate right.

To get, to help, to help, uh, lift this kind of stuff. So one thing you can look for is ROC, uh, regenerative organic certified, certified naturally grown, uh, and land to market verified are three things that I found that, uh, you can look for. Um, when you go to farmers markets, you can actually ask the people they’re there.

Right. Do you do a no till, um, producing, are you rotational grazing? Do you use cover crops?

If they, those are things that are indicators that they’re doing sustainable agriculture. Um, and even in your, your life, like we, we make investment choices and we bank at certain places, you know, look for ones that are supporting regenerative food systems. There are ones there, they, a lot of it’s public information.

If you care enough about it, put your money where your mouth is in that regard, right? And then you can also learn, uh, a couple of things I found. I wasn’t able to, I didn’t look too hard yet, but there’s this thing called kiss the ground on Netflix.

Um, I don’t know if it’s still there though, but it was like a documentary from a few years back, uh, around it, this, this topic. And I, I saw the trailer. I’m like, oh, that looks really interesting.

I did a quick look. I wasn’t able to find it, but look for that. You might be able to find it in some other location.

Uh, and then there’s a regenerative agriculture podcast that, uh, is out there as well, if you want to kind of learn a little more digestible kind of, kind of, kind of thing. And so that’s it, Jason, that’s my discussion today on regenerative sustainable agriculture, would you learn good things?

Jason Moreau
A lot of good things, man. You did a great job kind of walking me through this. Cause this wasn’t a topic that was necessarily one that I had a lot of familiarity with.

So I, I appreciate all the sort of the groundwork you did on this one. Um, yeah, we kind of, we, we covered a lot of ground, but yeah, no, I, I, I do feel, I do feel encouraged about this and yeah, I will have to look for those labels. They, I was not familiar with those just mostly just seeing organic, which I know doesn’t really cover a lot of what we would discuss today.

So yeah, I’ll have to try and look into some of those.

Sheldon Young
Excellent. Well, thank you, my friend.

Jason Moreau
I appreciate your kind words.

Sheldon Young
I guess let’s wrap up this episode on regenerative slash sustainable agriculture. We’d love to hear your thoughts and ideas. We have a great guest idea or topic.

Um, that’s me or someone that’s making sustainability real. We’d love to have them out as you can reach out and find us on via email at no footprints.podcast@alfalaval.com. Alfa Laval is A-L-F-A-L-A-V-A-L.com.

We’ll see you next time.

Jason Moreau
Bye everybody.

Sheldon Young
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